CCCP (Combined Community Codec Pack) 2008-06-28 Beta
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#1 Posted by goatsniffer on 29 Jun 2008 - 19:36
- Oh ok, so I get warned for posting about the k-lite pack on the forums, but this makes the news?
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#1.1 Posted by 39 Thieves on 29 Jun 2008 - 20:23
- Considering this pack uses all freely-available components, I fail to see the problem.
k-lite blows, btw. -
#1.2 Posted by PermaSt0ne on 29 Jun 2008 - 23:12
- K-lite uses illegal codecs
CCCP does not
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#1.3 Posted by Azmodan on 02 Jul 2008 - 13:56
- (PermaSt0ne said @ #1.2)K-lite uses illegal codecs
Except the corporate edition. -
#1.4 Posted by hapbt on 03 Jul 2008 - 00:36
- k-lite does blow
but i see some awful shareware crap get put in here from time to time which makes me sad
cccp is way cooler than k-lite, you should switch yourself IMO -
#1.5 Posted by Magallanes on 03 Jul 2008 - 22:31
- (PermaSt0ne said @ #1.2)K-lite uses illegal codecs
CCCP does not
So CCCP = (Klite - copyrighted codecs) ?
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#2 Posted by tripleXit on 29 Jun 2008 - 19:45
- They're just codecs, there's nothing illegal about them.
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#4 Posted by 39 Thieves on 29 Jun 2008 - 20:26
- I went thinking this had been updated...but this is the same version I've had since January. Am I missing something here?
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#4.1 Posted by bigl523 on 29 Jun 2008 - 22:51
- (39 Thieves said @ #4)I went thinking this had been updated...but this is the same version I've had since January. Am I missing something here?
Yes, this one is a beta, you are just going to the front page and downloading the latest stable release. Click the link in the original news post at neowin to get directed to the cccp beta. -
#4.2 Posted by Magallanes on 03 Jul 2008 - 22:33
- (39 Thieves said @ #4)I went thinking this had been updated...but this is the same version I've had since January. Am I missing something here?
The latest FFDShow is just 1 month old and bring more performance and stability.
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#5 Posted by rpger81 on 29 Jun 2008 - 21:31
- Old release (latest one tho), but I'm glad Neowin is promoting CCCP now in the software section.
And yes, K-lite blows XD
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#6 Posted by Youngy on 29 Jun 2008 - 22:55
- Without wishing to start a flame war, why is this better than K-Lite? I've been using that fine for quite a while now, if there's a genuine reason CCCP is better then I'd be interested to hear
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#6.1 Posted by Airlink on 29 Jun 2008 - 23:14
- +1 If you're gonna say "It SUCKS!" you better be prepared back it up somehow or you're just talking out of your ass.
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#6.2 Posted by rpger81 on 30 Jun 2008 - 00:15
- (Airlink said @ #6.1)+1 If you're gonna say "It SUCKS!" you better be prepared back it up somehow or you're just talking out of your ass.
We don't need to backup anything. If you want to continue to use crap go right ahead. If you're truly interested then you can do yourself a favor and search in these very forums for the answers as we've discussed it before. -
#6.3 Posted by michael.dobrofsky on 30 Jun 2008 - 01:27
- (rpger81 said @ #6.2)(Airlink said @ #6.1)+1 If you're gonna say "It SUCKS!" you better be prepared back it up somehow or you're just talking out of your ass.
We don't need to backup anything. If you want to continue to use crap go right ahead. If you're truly interested then you can do yourself a favor and search in these very forums for the answers as we've discussed it before.
LOL. That kinda answer translates to "we just hate k-lite" for some unknown reason. If there was a genuine reason, you could've written it in the same time as it took to type your moan. -
#6.4 Posted by rpger81 on 30 Jun 2008 - 02:24
- (michael.dobrofsky said @ #6.3)(rpger81 said @ #6.2)(Airlink said @ #6.1)+1 If you're gonna say "It SUCKS!" you better be prepared back it up somehow or you're just talking out of your ass.
We don't need to backup anything. If you want to continue to use crap go right ahead. If you're truly interested then you can do yourself a favor and search in these very forums for the answers as we've discussed it before.
LOL. That kinda answer translates to "we just hate k-lite" for some unknown reason. If there was a genuine reason, you could've written it in the same time as it took to type your moan.
Is it really so hard to type "CCCP" or "K-lite" in Neowins search function? I'm not here to educate, I'm here to post my opinions, and my opinion is K-lite is useless and dangerous. Your opinion may be different but I'm not asking you why you think it's so great, now am I? -
#6.5 Posted by Baked on 30 Jun 2008 - 23:02
- (rpger81 said @ #6.4)Is it really so hard to type "CCCP" or "K-lite" in Neowins search function? I'm not here to educate, I'm here to post my opinions, and my opinion is K-lite is useless and dangerous. Your opinion may be different but I'm not asking you why you think it's so great, now am I?
Useless ? Dangerous ? LOL
Been using K-Lite + Realplayer and Quicktime Alternatives for years no problems at all.
PS: AFAIK the DviX Codec is free, Its the player thats not. -
#6.6 Posted by rpger81 on 01 Jul 2008 - 00:15
- (Baked said @ #6.5)(rpger81 said @ #6.4)Is it really so hard to type "CCCP" or "K-lite" in Neowins search function? I'm not here to educate, I'm here to post my opinions, and my opinion is K-lite is useless and dangerous. Your opinion may be different but I'm not asking you why you think it's so great, now am I?
Useless ? Dangerous ? LOL
Been using K-Lite + Realplayer and Quicktime Alternatives for years no problems at all.
PS: AFAIK the DviX Codec is free, Its the player thats not.
Did I stutter? The only thing laughable is your lack of codec knowledge. If you've been using it for years then your PC has been damaged for years.
No, the Pro Codec (which comes with K-Lite) is not free... the player is. Facts are fun
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#6.7 Posted by hapbt on 03 Jul 2008 - 00:48
- its not that k-lite is dangerous or illegal, its that its based on the original codecs like the divx codec, which, i mean if you like that codec, go ahead and use it, my experience is that it uses an insane amount of cpu, is bloated as far as memory use, and crashes alot -- to me, that sucks -- so i use ffdshow or xvid both of which are 100% free, insanely fast (you can get cpu optimized builds-- thats open source for you) and full of tons of options -- oh yeah, and you can encode for free...
and cccp plays alllll the formats klite does, yet has like 5 separate pieces of software, k-lite has upwards of 30+ and yet does nothing, absolutely nothing, that cccp does not, correct me if i'm wrong.
no it can't play quicktime or realplayer but we all understand the limitations of proprietary dmca-protected bs codecs like that.
regardless of if you think k-lite actually sucks or not, why would you want to use a bunch of shareware/closed source/buggy/obsolete/mismatched codecs anyways when you can download a smaller file that is based on totally free, cpu optimized, open source software?
look at your browser, is it firefox? if yes, go download cccp.
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#6.8 Posted by Airlink on 03 Jul 2008 - 08:48
- (rpger81 said @ #6.6)(Baked said @ #6.5)(rpger81 said @ #6.4)Is it really so hard to type "CCCP" or "K-lite" in Neowins search function? I'm not here to educate, I'm here to post my opinions, and my opinion is K-lite is useless and dangerous. Your opinion may be different but I'm not asking you why you think it's so great, now am I?
Useless ? Dangerous ? LOL
Been using K-Lite + Realplayer and Quicktime Alternatives for years no problems at all.
PS: AFAIK the DviX Codec is free, Its the player thats not.
Did I stutter? The only thing laughable is your lack of codec knowledge. If you've been using it for years then your PC has been damaged for years.
No, the Pro Codec (which comes with K-Lite) is not free... the player is. Facts are fun
Too bad you don't have any. Facts, that is.
Sorry, but I think you're full of **** rpger81 . As far as I know the K-lite Codec packs don't "damage" anything and you can't prove otherwise or you'd have done so already. Either put up or shut up. -
#6.9 Posted by zachdms on 21 Jul 2008 - 19:00
- Why are you so abusive to the notion that the K-Lite team might have made some serious mistakes? I believe they've fixed up most of their horrible errors in newer builds, but they certainly did cause a huge amount of people to crash when they did things like register a bad DirectShow filter (IAC) on Vista.
The notion that they're testing what they're doing is questionable when others have to bring it to their attention when they create big problems like that. The notion that what they're shipping now is reliable is questionable in that it's usually taken a significant length of time for them to notice and fix issues... after they've corrupted thousands or millions of systems.
They're warez and their quality control has kind of sucked over time. If you want to be an apologist for them, I'm confused, but it's your party. On the one hand, they're certainly better than the blazingly stupid Nimo or ACE, but on the other they are probably the 2nd most damaging codec pack that has ever existed. So they've got that positiveness going for them.
I have an archive of codec packs and helped get certain stupid things in K-Lite fixed. They know of the problems, I know of the problems. If them making stupid mistakes and breaking users bothers you, take it up with them. They should be more stable now, but the proof is in the pudding.
Speaking for myself only as always.
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#7 Posted by ozzy76 on 30 Jun 2008 - 01:19
- I've never understood the elitism involved with using this package. I've been using K-Lite for years and I still have yet to encounter all these so-called issues people claim to have. Why did this particular package go 5 months without being updated? K-Lite is updated roughly once a month.
Can someone please show me which codecs are "illegal" in K-Lite: List of codecs -
#7.1 Posted by rpger81 on 30 Jun 2008 - 02:30
- It updates more often because it contains much more codecs than CCCP does, which is one of the reasons why it is so bad. You only need 1 decoder to decode a specific codec, and that's what CCCP gives you. The confusion and clusterf*ck of codecs included in K-lite is a mess that many users don't understand and just end up installing everything included in the pack.
I think Neowin shuns it for including a DivX Pro codec (which is not free), hence why they claim it's "illegal".
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#7.2 Posted by 39 Thieves on 30 Jun 2008 - 12:31
- From their wiki;Why Should I Use the CCCP?
Because we couldn't find a codec pack that worked in all the cases. Other codec packs tend to either randomly not work, break the system, or install far too much cruft. With the CCCP, we KNOW that when you install it properly, it just works. You don't need to mess around in the options to get it to work, and chances are it will resolve any other conflicts on install as well. We invented the CCCP so we can say "Uninstall everything else, install the pack and live forever happy". That said, for the adventurous there are pages of options available to tweak if you feel like it...
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#8 Posted by ThaCrip on 30 Jun 2008 - 02:36
- me personally... in general i avoid installing Codec packs... cause you dont really need this stuff if all you do is play XviD or x264 stuff.... cause for XviD i just install the XviD codec but even that is not needed if all your going to do is PLAY XviD files and not encode them.
in general i just use 'The KMPlayer' (for windows) to pretty much play all my video media... as it works out of the box with a high percentage of video files out there and im pretty sure even if you have conflicting stuff on your system i think it wont matter to KMPlayer since it has it's own built in codecs.
p.s. but if i had to use a codec pack i would probably use CCCP
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#8.1 Posted by The_Decryptor on 30 Jun 2008 - 08:33
- You need to install the codec for decoding and encoding. The videos don't know how to decode themselves.
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#9 Posted by Joshie on 30 Jun 2008 - 03:10
- I ditched CCCP a couple years ago because problems would start happening immediately after install+reboot. I realize it's risky to mention that around a swarm of CCCP users, because it just invites a ton of questions ultimately pointing to operator error--because some people are completely incapable of reading the first sentence I typed. Even if it was just a series of bad builds, it turned me off to it, and if people can use that line of reasoning to ditch software like Opera, I can use it to blacklist CCCP. Hoo hah.
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#10 Posted by mayamaniac on 30 Jun 2008 - 04:02
- Is that all bright RED background of the their homepage a combined community effort too? It hurts my eyes looking at it.
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#11 Posted by +AgentSmith15 on 30 Jun 2008 - 15:59
- It's a joke....The name is a pun on the Союз Советских Социалистических Республик (Soyuz Sovyetskikh Sotsialistichyeskikh Respublik), the Russian name for the USSR; the Cyrillic name for the USSR is initialized CCCP, however it transliterates to SSSR.
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#12 Posted by X'tyfe on 30 Jun 2008 - 21:03
- looks like a new beta is already out
damn that was fast, the must have found a major problem
http://www.cccp-project.net/beta/Combined-...-2008-06-30.exe -
#12.1 Posted by necrosis on 01 Jul 2008 - 12:56
- Its a BETA. The point is to have mass amounts of people find problems and FIX them. Releasing fast betas means nothing more than progress.
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#12.2 Posted by X'tyfe on 01 Jul 2008 - 13:50
- (necrosis said @ #12.1)Its a BETA. The point is to have mass amounts of people find problems and FIX them. Releasing fast betas means nothing more than progress.
Fast releases of software labeled as final is another story.
well, iv been watching them for the past year and they usually release 2 a month
not 2 within 2 days
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#13 Posted by toadeater on 01 Jul 2008 - 05:20
- Codec packs... great way to f*up your computer permanently.
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#13.1 Posted by X'tyfe on 01 Jul 2008 - 13:50
- (toadeater said @ #13)Codec packs... great way to f*up your computer permanently.
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#13.2 Posted by Joshua-San on 02 Jul 2008 - 09:53
- (toadeater said @ #1)Codec packs... great way to f*up your computer permanently.
Hmm. CCCP might be a little misleading name, because of those bad codec packs like K-Lite and others. CCCP isn't necessarily just a bunch of codecs wrapped in a nice installer like K-Lite. CCCP installs FFDShow and several other programs to encode/decode video, meaning that it's a much cleaner solution.
Meaning... CCCP won't mess up your computer, because these guys got the 'codec pack' thing right. K-Lite and others will likely mess up your computer, because they don't know how codec packs should work. -
#13.3 Posted by Airlink on 03 Jul 2008 - 08:51
- (Joshua-San said @ #13.2)(toadeater said @ #1)Codec packs... great way to f*up your computer permanently.
Hmm. CCCP might be a little misleading name, because of those bad codec packs like K-Lite and others. CCCP isn't necessarily just a bunch of codecs wrapped in a nice installer like K-Lite. CCCP installs FFDShow and several other programs to encode/decode video, meaning that it's a much cleaner solution.
Meaning... CCCP won't mess up your computer, because these guys got the 'codec pack' thing right. K-Lite and others will likely mess up your computer, because they don't know how codec packs should work.
Go educate yourself. K-Lite Mega Pack installs everything you need, including the FFDshow, the BS player, Hali, G-Spot, and Media Player Classic.
CCCP is not better in any way. -
#13.4 Posted by Spik3balloon on 04 Jul 2008 - 10:40
- (Airlink said @ #13.3)Go educate yourself. K-Lite Mega Pack installs everything you need, including the FFDshow, the BS player, Hali, G-Spot, and Media Player Classic.
CCCP is not better in any way.
K-Lite does it with absolutely no regard to codec conflicts and compatibility issues whatsoever. -
#13.5 Posted by Airlink on 08 Jul 2008 - 04:26
- (Spik3balloon said @ #13.4)(Airlink said @ #13.3)Go educate yourself. K-Lite Mega Pack installs everything you need, including the FFDshow, the BS player, Hali, G-Spot, and Media Player Classic.
CCCP is not better in any way.
K-Lite does it with absolutely no regard to codec conflicts and compatibility issues whatsoever.
That's the myth, not the reality. When you install the more recent verions, it checks for conflicts as it's installing.
Also, it's fully configurable during the install so that you can pick and choose which components you want installed and which you want left out. Try that with your much-vaunted CCCP, comrade.
BTW, K-Lite CP 3.9.8 beta is out now. Just thought I'd mention that. If you don't like betas, try the 3.9.5 instead, as it's the latest stable release.
http://www.codecguide.com/
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#14 Posted by nonick on 01 Jul 2008 - 15:54
- FFDShow + MPC is all you need
and if you are into MKV files, then the matroska file splitter is needed as well
who needs packs :p
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#14.1 Posted by Azmodan on 02 Jul 2008 - 13:58
- (nonick said @ #14)FFDShow + MPC is all you need
and if you are into MKV files, then the matroska file splitter is needed as well
who needs packs :p
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#14.2 Posted by Aaron44126 on 02 Jul 2008 - 22:24
- I thought this way for a while, but now I just use CCCP. After all, pretty much all it is is FFDshow, MPC (with the default settings all done right), and some package filters for things like Matroska and Vorbis.
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#15 Posted by acedriver on 03 Jul 2008 - 04:10
- another beta
http://www.cccp-project.net/beta/Combined-...-2008-07-02.exe
Components:
CoreWavPack 1.1.1
FFDShow Tryout r2029 2008-06-29 GCC 4.3.1 CCCP
FLV Splitter 2006-08-09
Haali Media Splitter 2008-03-29
MPV (MPEG2) Decoder 2007-05-17 CCCP
VSFilter 2007-05-31
Media Player Classic HomeCinema 1.1.611
Zoom Player 6.00 RC 2 Professional
Combined Community Codec Pack ( CCCP ) 2008-01-24 includes :
- FFDShow 2008-04-09 r1739 CCCP
- FLV Splitter 2006-08-09
- Haali Media Splitter 2008-03-29
- MPV (Mpeg2) Decoder 2007-05-17 CCCP
- VSFilter 2007.05.31
- CoreWavPack 1.1.1
- Media Player Classic HomeCinema 1.1.611
- ZoomPlayer 5.50 beta 1 Standard