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OMG - I HATE apple. I get so tired of this B.S. that they push. The problem is the uneducated masses believe it.

That's okay. The popularity of these ads will be their undoing. If they actually succeed at gaining a larger market share then inevitably the malware writers will begin to target them. Then we'll see how funny things are. You'll have millions of users with Mac's that don't believe they need virus protection or updates and won't have a clue how to begin either task.

Good luck on getting Apple's help on that. Let's not forget that they never admit fault. It's never something they did wrong. Nope. Never.

Huh? You think Macs can't auto-update and don't already have AV programs available? What exactly did Apple do wrong? I mean besides overcharging for rebranded PC OEM hardware.

Do Mac users realize PC OEMs make Apple products?

No I do understand they have auto-update and AV programs. That's my point. The people that believe these commercials think otherwise. The future holds big surprises for the sheep out there that get sucked into Mac world thinking they'll be forever in Neverland with the worries of updates and viruses a thing of the past.

...if you believe these commercials that is. (I don't). Apple just flat out lies and twists the truth. That's what they did wrong.

Half the bettle is getting people using your OS. Less informed people don't know that Mac also have security issues and all the other problems that happen to computers these days.

I thought tim dawg was joking, but apparently apple just trolled him hard.

PC OEM's? all PC vendors are starting to outsource their production to third parties; heck, IIRC HP, Dell, Lenovo and Apple all have their laptops manufactured by a company in Taiwan with the boards IIRC being made by Foxconn. IIRC all the netbooks uses the same basic board design from foxconn.

Yup. PC OEM. Personal Computer Original Equipment Manufacturer. And Lenovo doesn't contract to Taiwan, they keep their production in China, IIRC.

It's sad when a company who creates good products has to lie to get customers... ouch

No, these ads are not the start of a response. No these are the same negative ads they've been doing forever. Fracking losers.

True dat. Is this Apple's grand retaliate plan? More PC vs. Mac false advertising? Sigh... Will they never learn?

C'mon, guys. They're just advertisements. Even if the generalizations they make about Windows aren't true anymore and they're exaggerating them, those commercials are pretty well done. They're short and some of them are pretty comical.

Why do people always fall back on 'oh they're just ads'? Ads shift perspective, false advertising shouldn't be allowed or excused.

If this can be classified as 'false advertising', so can basically every ad on television right now. Microsoft ads included.

Because the girl buying a laptop could've totally bought a Mac for under $1,000. Let's disregard the fact that the only laptop available that's anywhere close is realistically over her budget. Anyone with a budget generally tries not to hit the maximum, and even so, with tax, it's already more than just a few bucks overboard. Not to mention small and not to her own likings.

Not sure how personal preference can be false advertising anyway though.

I don't plan on sitting here to go into detail with every ad though, but if you can find me the television ad where Microsoft overstepped, I'll be gladly to look at it. (I'm tired as I write this too, so forgive me if I sound a bit stuck up at the moment)

What ad are you referring to? The one where PC is searching through the pictures? If so, please show me how to search for faces in pictures on Windows, I'd love to see how that works.

Just saw all four Mac commercials and I am disgusted by it, not only are they wrong in the assumption that Windows are virus laden but they continue to whine and repeatedly say the same things over and over again. Apple is like a broken record. I am noway a Windows fanboy; I own both a Windows 3-way SLI gaming PC and a Macbook Pro unibody but I have respect for every single person and constantly being negative is just wrong!

Exactly.
I deal with multi and cross-platform problems on a daily basis, as someone who routinely uses windows, mac and linux. All faces have their blemishes, and all have their strong features.

Windows live photo Gallery

Ads always does not (have to) say the truth...

http://download.live.com/photogallery
left tab called "people tracking"

picasa has also had this feature for a while now.

Apple copied the technology from Microsoft. Microsoft Photosynth is light years ahead of Apple's BS and it's free and not only does it find and compare your photos but can ping the web and completely create an interactive environment for all bunch of other photos from Flickr or similar.

Microsoft commercials didn't lie about anything. They just point obvious information and never dig Apple directly, which is a sign of maturity, something that Apple can't seem to be.

Not the same. http://www.windowslivetaskforce.com/view/31

Picasa's Web Gallery is like Faces though.


Photosynth? What does this have to do with iPhoto/WLPG/Picasa, which are more practical in attuned to identifying people?

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yes, because Micro$oft has never been guilty of FUD, no, never... :rolls eyes:

WLPG does not do facial recognition like iPhoto, it only does facial detection. There is a HUGE difference.

Have you tried Windows Live Photo Gallery? You can tag peoples faces, which the program automatically recognize, or you can draw a rectangle if the software doesn't recognize someone.

The tags for people are shown in the left side of the program for quick access to the pictures they are in.

Please read above.

Picasa's Web Gallery brought it out first in Sept. 08, but it only stays online and doesn't sync to your local library.

WLPG was released Jan. 7, 09, but it only does face detection, not recognition. Even then, it only detects faces in an open photo and doesn't do a scan through your library.

iPhoto 09' was released Jan. 6, 09.

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WLPG does do both detection and recognition and it does scan through all the photos in your library.

Does it? This says it doesn't: http://www.windowslivetaskforce.com/view/31

ya, i love being able to play EVERYTHING without installing extra stuff now.

ill miss ya vlc player ;'(

Not to be picky, but the .mov extension is not a "codec" it is a "container".

Also it's just the ones encoded in H.264 that do play in WMP12. Older MOV files using whatever codec they used to have will require Quicktime or equivalent (ffdshow, Haali Media Splitter, etc.)

Yeah, the Legal Copy one was pretty lame. It's not like OS X is open source.

Well I know it's probably lame (judging by others) but what exactly is it about?

Fail.

what?

Actually, large portions of it are.

Since it's based on Unix. Of course.

But OS X is alot more legally restricted in terms of what you do with it than Windows.

^ How very true! Apple has a knack about controlling EVERY aspect of their products. Nothing happens in the Mac / iPod / iPhone world without them personally signing off on it.

WTF???

It has nothing to do with "Open Source" at all.

Legal Copy is the small print disclaimers. Much like at the end of the "Free Credit Report dot Com" commercials, where the voiceover says "offer applies with enrollment in Triple Advantage", or the small text and voiceovers in most car commercials.

It means that PC's aren't worry free and that everything the PC claims in the commercial isn't true.

I think we need a legal disclaimer for the Mac ads, they're so untrue. Every time I use a mac it freezes and beachballs, why's that Apple? Huh?

The text that comes up in the "Legal Copy" ad: http://www.macjournals.com/news/legalcopytext

(there is always someone who is nuts enough, lol)

But that's not the message of the laptop hunters ad... the message is that "you should buy a PC because it's less expensive and does what you want," there is no mention of Windows at all.

Yea the Microsoft ads are 100% true. They don't even mention Windows in the ad, and that's the point. Microsoft is trying to prove that they are a good company and don't care only about money, so they go and promote companies products like HP and Sony. It puts a good PR face on them.

Debatable really?

Why would a computer determine your social status? Oh probably because PCs are a tool while Macs are a lifestyle. lol

Oh since Macs generally cost hundreds (sometimes thousands) more than a PC, it is often looked upon as a luxury item, and of course, the cool kids are the ones with alot of money...

I'm not cool and I have a lot's of money HAHAHAHAHAHH.

It's not debatable. If you have a Mac for no other reason other than "it's cool" then you might as well have a sticker across your forehead that reads "sucker here, sell me a bridge".

Second, if you determine your social status or "coolness" by your Mac, then there's something really wrong. Get help.

Who said that may be the ONLY reason someone get a Mac?

You guys have it backwards. Buying a mac does not make you cool. I think Marshalus meant that people who already fall in to the "cool" category (or think they do anyways), buy macs. And this does seem to be the truth.

Of course that doesn't mean other people don't buy macs for other reasons besides the cool factor.

I'm a PC by the way

How is that a "Lie"?

The commercial says there are a number viruses or new viruses for PCs, with more coming every day.

And that these viruses don't affect OSX.

And they don't.

There have been lab-created demos of potential viruses, but I don't think that you can declare a statement that there are hundreds of thousands of PC (Windows) viruses as a lie. And you also can't say that it is a lie that these viruses don't affect a Mac.

Mac's have viruses. Leopard makes up 15% of all operating system vulnrabilities while Vista only makes up 5%. Vista is 3x more secure. Mac's don't have many users so no one cares to write viruses for Leopard. The least secure OS is the Mac.

Oh, good god!

You are parroting the Microsoft report based purely on the number of patches and completely disregarding the severity, and the days of exposure. Plus, that number didn't count the flaws still open.

If you believe what you have repeated (as it is apparent you didn't develop that weak argument yourself), then you have been drinking the Kool-aid, too. (a different flavor than the Apple Kool-aid, but Kool-aid, none-the-less)

Any meaning in any of the numbers is arbitrary anyway because most Windows users won't come in contact with the vulnerabilities and most Mac users won't come in contact with the vulnerabilities. The reason Microsoft doesn't always rush to patch flaws is because they know this.

Now that browsers have procedures to guard the user against malware and people use firewalls and UAC, there's very little reason for an average user to be concerned with an anti-virus program at all. If you run a server obviously you'll want to take more precautions.

The reason I hate Apple for pushing points like this goes beyond that its anti-Windows, I hate whenever people try to scare average people about computer viruses and push them to buy anti-virus software which does nothing for them; it just slows down their computer and intimidates them about using computers in general.

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And how they lied about the Conifliker virus. If you just have your computer set up to run automatic updates then you don't have to worry. Oh yea, Apple, I said "automatic updates"! Yes, Windows does have that! No worries, just let it automatically update!

I think the legal Ad should come in about now for the CS4 statement (just guessing).

You do realize that people actually buy the expensive software, right? Just because it costs what it does, doesn't mean people that use it pirated it.

More than likely it's the people who don't know how to use it that pirate it, because they don't understand why it's worth the money

I've been a loyal Adobe customer since 1996, lets see your templated apple stuff, i'm calling your bluff here is my first shot.
http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=735626

They probably never will, because thats just how they operate...Their policy is, " Our way, or the highway".

Apple advertising to Apple customers - they just don't get it do they?

Totally agree! Don't forget, "We're apple. We never do anything wrong."

I hate quicktime too. They should use Flash or Silverlight. Way better technology.

Flash and Silverlight are not the same type of media as Quicktime. Quicktime is more akin to WMV than either of those.

I'll quote this comment in reply to yours...

How do the Microsoft ads fail? They actually speak the truth, is that so unheard of to you that you automatically say "fail"?

How do the Microsoft ads fail? They actually speak the truth, is that so unheard of to you that you automatically say "fail"?

That's their methodology! They realized long ago they couldn't break into the hardcore PC user / gamer / enthusiast market. So they tried with schools. Depending on your age you might remember that practically every school at one point or another had a fleet of Mac's. Apple gave them away. That didn't work either (most schools are now PC based). Apple still has their core graphics / music users but that's such a small percentage of the overall market.

So now they cater to the ignorant. I really feel sorry for people that buy a Mac just from these commercials.

I so badly wish my school is PC based. We'd save so much money!

1. Biohazard - The sheer number of viruses for PC is the claim vs. the number for Mac... This is fact, so it's not a lie and by definition isn't slander.
2. Legal Copy - There's always some fine print on PC features, I think that is what the ad is playing at.
3. Stacks - No such feature exists on the PC. Maybe there is a 3rd party solution, but I don't think so.
4. Time Machine - OK... this one I can kinda see...

Its in Windows Live Photo.

1. Biohazard - True PCs get viruses.
2. Legal Copy - I find this one odd because the latest iPhone have just as much legal copy. Normally them cutting out steps to make things seem faster then they are.
3. Stacks - Windows Live Photo Gallery
4. Time Machine - I don't even get this one...

So do Macs, just because people and Apple tries to ignore the fact, doesn't mean it's not a reality.

In 2007, Mac/OSX had the most security holes, I also saw in 2008 again, which some have never been patched.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=758

Plus the newest Trojan on OSX makes Macs zombies, just like they do on Windows, no difference.

For 3, pinning a folder to the taskbar as a Quick Launch toolbar does the same thing as Stacks.

The ad called "Stacks" is talking about the facial recognition in iPhoto (PC was looking through large stacks of photos). It has nothing at all to do with the Stacks feature of the Dock.

@Express: As has been stated repeatedly here, Live Photo Gallery does NOT do facial recognition, it only does face detection. They are NOT the same thing.

WLPG worked for me. After I identified my sister in my photo folder it tagged the rest of her pictures accurately.

I'm not sure how you got it to do that when it is already documented (and I just tried it myself to make sure) that it does NOT automatically recognize and tag faces.

Uh, Apple had iPods out before Microsoft had anything of the equivalent at the time I believe. If you're going to bash Apple, do it right.

Please show me where Apple claimed that the iPod was the first of its kind.

I'm sure they said that somewhere it's all in the words. saying "first of its kind" isn't the same as saying "the first" I could seriously see Jobs saying that in the past.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Creative had an iPod like mp3 player out long before Apple deided to get into the game with the iPod.

This is just like the old days when Apple got all hot and bothered over Windows back in to v1.0-v3.1 era because it "copied" the Mac's GUI design. Of course, they conveniently forgot that both they and Microsoft ripped the idea off Xerox who had it first. Apple just tried to CLAIM it was first.

The first MP3 player I remember was the Diamond Rio. Talk about YEARS ago.

They make good products in general, that's probably why people like them. M$ just copies / imitates and tries to bully its way into a market (often by abusing its monopolistic position).

This is the first i've heard that Microsoft has a monopoly in the MP3 player market!!!!!!!

I said before Microsoft. Creative is not Microsoft.

I loled. Now is a good time to start educating yourself in this area.

And you also implied that Apple was some kind of pioneer in the field, which they are patently not. Which was MY point.

Apple makes a habit of trying to get people to believe they're pioneers and visionaries. And the Apple Store late-to-the-party tech-wannabe lemmings drink that propaganda kool=aid in barrels. The reality is neither they nor Microsoft for the most part are anything of the sort.

The closest was Woz coming up with the Apple II, but that train sailed years ago.

Both are good companies with good product, but Apple is a lot more arrogant and wrongfully self=aggrandizing.

Me 2. I keep that as far away from my PC as possible.

Thanks I couldn't find them when I checked earlier on. Perhaps I'm blind.

hm... the laptop hunters seem to be a pretty good example...

oh and the Seinfeld ones... but they were full of ...literally nothing... so I guess they don't count :-P

Well they were funny to say the least..

Agreed, how is this retaliating? It looks to me the ads have two different objectives: MS wants people to consider the specs when buying a PC along with the attractive prices (laptop hunters) and Mac wants people to focus on the negatives of the competition and spin off public perception. MS wins based on rationale points and Mac wins on swaying perception.

Agree there - the only one that seemed even related was the iPhoto one and in my view they should have gone into more detail of why iPhoto is better, as it certainly is!

Maybe they didn't retaliate with THESE ads, but a Apple head did throw a hissy fit over MS's Laptop Hunters ads. (reference the thread in Apple General Discussion)

Yeah they were - they are playing on misconception in the same way Microsoft did with the Apple tax thing. It's all very childish from both sides but thats normal.

The iPhoto one was FUD as well... Windows Live Photo Gallery supports face recognition & tagging and has done for many months now.

They're *all* FUD...

Uh, how is the "Apple Tax" a misconception?

Ahem, viruses are FUD? Considering almost every other copy of windoze has one, I see this as factual.

Just say Conficker

So it's not technically a "tax," merely a markup… But Apple spends millions on r&d, product design, etc. and people don't see that when they buy a computer...

Just so you know, Microsoft spend far far more on R&D than Apple.

It's about $8 billion compared with Apple's $800 million or so.

Considering you use the term "Windoze", I think we can discount your comment as being a huge exaggeration.

Does it? I can see 5 Windows PCs from my desk, (at home, mind you,) and none of them have malware on them. Neither do my parents' PCs or my siblings. I've not see a Conficker infection period.

I think you've done just about everything you can to discredit yourself. Every other PC having a virus is FUD.

Viruses are becoming unheard of now with Windows Vista and up-to-date virus protection software. I haven't had a virus in about three years now, on all three of our vista computers. Now XP, that's another story.

Win. That picture is so true.

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If it's in e.g. the graphics or design business (in which Macs are common and geared for), then no, I wouldn't blindly go by the clothes. :-p

Actually, in my cases, I'd be more intrigued by a more down to earth guy, but maybe that's just me.

Im not an expert, but i believe that you are very wrong in your last statement.
PS that picture says it all, nice find

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Windoze? seriously, how old are you because 12 year olds say things like that.

And if Viruses don't propagate on Macs, tell me how do you think that mac botnet got out there? OK it may have been delivered by pirated software, but how did it spread and work if you can't write virii for macs?

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We should not feed trolls.

I personally think the MS ads were a lot more mature than these Apple ads which feed off ignorance. Sane users and mature Mac users all use their computers according their requirements and do not use such advertisements to influence their computer decisions.

Windows freezing? Outright, blatant lie from Apple which I believe should be sued for defamation. Windows has not had significant freezing problems since 2000/XP (NT line), and certainly a lot less in Vista and beyond. Disgusting, disgusting company that can put out such filth and lies. The rest of the advertisements at least do not contain such blatant falsehood.

I would hire the mac boy. We are doing games at my job and he fits a lot more the style of the staff. We do games for Windows, Mac and iPhones BTW. And every OS (Mac OS X or Windows) has their flaws and their strength. I love the '*nix' command line in Mac OS X, and, since we don't develop for Linux (not enough potential clients), it is good to have "tcsh, bash, sed, cut, grep, gcc, vim, ..." to automate a lot of the tasks. Also, iPhoto comes handy very often.

We could do all these things under windows with third party free apps, but we wouldn't have customer support. Customer support (it is absolutely useless most of the times) removes the responsability of having a stable system from the hands of the developper (who have better things to do) and pushes it back to a company (Apple or Microsoft) who will take care of any problem themselves (Apple or Microsoft will pay to fix it, not our company).

Also, Visual Studio is sooo much better than XCode.

Then why do you view ads? Just buy anything who's cover just is funny.

Er yeah, that made a lot of sense.

Flat out lies? Lets see shall we:

(1) Viruses are endemic in windoze check.
(2) Very restrictive licensing and huge EULA check.
(3) Pre-installed mac software is superior check.
(4) Likely hood of future versions of windoze crashing / BSODing / being generally unstable check [look at vista].

(1) Yes there are alot of viruses for Windows, but it is a more targetted system, and there are viruses for Mac OS X http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=3157

(2) the licensing isnt that restrictive, and it wouldnt stop you doing anything apple stops you from doing, like installing on non oem equipment

(3)Windows Live Photo Gallery does the photo face tagging stuff, but not that i have used it, but iMovie is ment to be good. but this software isnt actually free, because they sell it. and microsoft are moving away from preinstalling their other free software due to anti-trust cases, but still windows live essentials is a free download, and takes minutes to install

(4) can we please stop thinking about classic windows. Windows Vista and 7(less so on XP) are very reliable and stable, i havnt seen a BSOD that wasn't due to a broken graphics card since XP. Yes im sure that there is a percentage of people which get BSOD and have major problems, but im sure that it is driver or hardware issues (in my experience most likly hardware)

Amen. I've been a proud user of Vista Ultimate 64 bit for a year now. Not one BSoD after I replaced that bad stick of memory.

And liberatus_sum, gtfo until you get your facts right. OS X's EULA is more restrictive than Win"doze"'s. Not letting you run their OS on any machine but thier own is one example.

That's a malicious program inside a pirated program, and is unable to propagate itself which means it isn't a virus by any definition. The user has to explicitly download it and give it permission to execute. This is a completely different case.

In windoze, one merely needs to use the default browser after installation to get infected by some drive by malware which is capable of propagating itself over the network. This is quite apart from the incident you linked to.



Lets see. The original vista license allowed the end user to reassign the software to another device once. Does that sound fair and unrestrictive to you?



They only have anti-trust issues because they use their position to eliminate competition. They could bundle other FOSS software with the system if they wished and this wouldn't present a problem.



Tell that to those people who experienced constant BSODs, incompatible hardware, and horrible performance [simple file copies / archive extractions]. I'm pretty sure they would disagree with you. And I'm talking about vista, not XP.

Broken graphics card? You mean the new driver model deployed in vista? It seems likely that played a major role in the debacle. It's easy to blame the hardware vendors (though no one seems to do that in linux. It's always linux's fault that hardware doesn't work, go figure).

The fact is, when vista shipped it had more holes than a bullet riddled gangster. Nothing you say can excuse that epic failure.

Do you really believe this? You're suggesting MS bundle other people's software with their OS, and this would be "okay"?

I rather doubt it.


Yes, a fair few driver manufacturer's weren't up to date upon release of Vista. MS only slightly shares the blame for making the changes - but it's not their fault if the manufacturer's didn't bother to update the drivers properly.

And no, I'm pretty sure people blame nVidia and ATI for Linux graphical issues.

You appear to suggest Microsoft shouldn't change anything when it updates an OS, lest it introduce any incompatibilities. Which is, frankly, ridiculous.


"Holes"? What "holes"?

Yup, just like 99.9% of Windows malware.


Really? Even with UAC, Protected Mode, Defender, and an Antivirus? I'd like to see that. We've already seen how quick OSX got hit through it's default browser.



Apple's EULA: Subject to the restrictions set forth below, you may, however, make a one-time
permanent transfer of all of your license rights to the Apple Software (in its original form as provided by Apple) to another party, provided that: (a) the transfer must
include all of the Apple Software, including all its component parts (excluding Apple Boot ROM code and firmware), original media, printed materials and this License.

One. One. Sound familiar?
Source? Used, and once. Once.


Again, source? Since Windows is it Microsoft's job to force hardware manufacturers to write compatible drivers? It works the same way as Apple. If you want your hardware to work with their OS, you make sure the drivers work on it.


Linux drivers are generally written by the linux community, not by the hardware manufacturers. It's totally nVidia's fault their Vista drivers were flaky two years ago. They had two years before that to work on them.



Third time, source? It's been pretty bullet-proof since it came out.

Ok yes i can see your point there, but there have been viruses for mac, iirc there was one that propagted through iChat. and when Apple say viruses they mean, viruses, trojans, malware, spyware ..... need i go on



The excat license details depend on OEM vs Retail, OEM can not be installed on a different machine than from the one with was sold with, but i believe retail did, even if it was only once. But to be perfectly honset, how many people really were affected by this?, the majority of Windows copies sold is OEM. And the retail is so over priced you'd be a fool to buy it.

But i dont think that is a restrictive as say placing a limit on what OEM the software can be installed on



Oh yes please bundle 32 different browsers, photo gallery applications, media players, and email clients. Im sure you mac fan boi's would have a field day moaning about bloat then.

But the functionality is there, as a free download. So those who want it can get it.



By broken graphics card i ment, i had gotten one from Ati (last september 200 and there was a flaw in that card, that caused it to be unreliable, and Vista did a good job of warning me, and trying to correct the problem before the situation lead to a BSOD

When vista shipped yes it had a few problems, but i didnt get any BSOD (appart from the ones i got with the gfx over a year after release).

There was a file copying bug, where the file copying dialog would hang(once it had actually finished), but it was more of a annoyance than anything else. Hardware problems were due to the driver structure to be more secure, and reliable, and to a usermode driver model (in part), this is one thing that isnt totally MS's fault.

But Vista was bloody secure, yes since ites release there have been a few holes found, but nothing like XP had, and Vista set the basis for making Windows inherently more secure, it changed alot, it broke alot, all in the name of security.

And the major hole that was found, was patched before it was even exploited. Which if everyone kept upto date on their Updates, Conflicker wouldnt be a problem.

Really, just what exactly are you basing that on besides your preconception of PC's?
Look, I'm no fan of Vista but that has nothing to do with stability at all. Because Vista IS stable.

The last time I had a BSOD was about two years ago when a memory module went bad, so that has nothing to do with Windows.
The last one before that (and I AM telling the truth) was with Windows XP pre-SP1, there were problems with nVidia drivers causing BSOD's.

So you can pull out all the cliche's you can think of but BSOD's on modern day Windows is a rare thing. Not any less rare than kernel panic's.

//edit: omg, just read your other statements. It's clear you are as ignorant as they come and unable to look past your fanboy mindset.

This was my favourite:



This is such complete and utter bull. Or I must be eexxxttrrreeeemmmeelllyyyy luck for not experiencing that.
If it was 2001 and I was using XP pre-SP1 then yes it would have been likely to happen. So again, the only thing you are capable of is spreading around heresay and FUD.

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Vista is amazingly secure and stable. It has only 5% of all operating system vulnrubilities while Leopard has 15%. Yea, Vista's 3x more secure than Mac! Wow!

I haven't had a virus on all three of my computers for three years, and their all running Vista.

If you run your automatic updates, then Coniflicker wouldn't be a problem.

The same goes for me, LOVE my MBP, LOVE my iMac and my iPhone but these ads friggin' suck. What's the use of bitching another company's products instead of promoting your own This is really not cool.

And I bestow upon Apple....

a boot to the head!

That may be the case, but it's clearly working. Otherwise why would M$ be counter-attacking? You could argue that these adverts are extoling the benefits of a mac, for example, viruses are extremely rare. In doing so they simultaneously demonstrate the weaknesses of the competition and the virtues of themselves.

1). Stop using M$, it's sad.

2). Wrong way around. They attack Windows in order to show how OS X is good. Why do they need the attack part in order to show how OS X is good?

Such comments from Apple users are enlightening. I have no comments about Apple products as I don't use them, but I do find these advertisements childish and some even contain blatant lies (as the Windows freezing advertisement is). The advertisement team for Macs is immature and filled with liars, but I do find the advertising team responsible for the iPods to do a decent job which has enticed me before. Those dark shadow-figures dancing are eye-catching and attention-grabbing!

Your comments always impress me, Chicane.

I laughed knowing that they didn't have enough screen space to fit all the legal copies for Apple, since all the Mac was saying was lies. I'm sick of Apple lying all the time. Honestly, why would people care about Steve Jobs if he still endorses these types of ads? (he was the head of the company when the ads started).

Apple does not believe in Linux.

M$ is the only one making adverts calling themselves "I'm a PC". Not to mention everyone knows viruses / BSOD / restrictive licensing / OS [that comes with no software] is refering to windoze. I don't think anyone with half a brain could misinterpret that

I do not think they know if its existence, or what a "PC" is to that matter.

Rofl, Apple also does not believe in Santa, or the Tooth Fairy

Apple invented the "I'm a PC" term with their ads. At the beginning of each ad it says "Hi, I'm a Mac, and I'm a PC" and their referring to Windows.

Microsoft didn't call themselves a PC, Apple did, and Microsoft rolled with it and took advantage of it, empowering PC users all around the world.

not really. it was stupid all of them were.

Lol, the Mac would beachball before it's even able to walk into the time machine!

Have you noticed that in all of the ads, the Mac doesn't ever try to do anything? It's just like using a real Mac, you're limited in what you can do! (like what computer you can install it on) The PC guy at least has the freedom to go and do stuff.

4. I second that!

That's the Mac userbase for you.

Oh wait, you were talking about PC users. LOL.

Both sides are as bad as each other - it is as though they think that the ordinary person comes here and reads the comments and makes their decision based on the screaming that is conducted by both sides. People don't make decisions based on the arguing of either side here - people buy what they want based on what they enjoying using either by going in and fiddling around or trying out a friends/relatives/etc computer.

Its all marketing in the end; Microsoft fires a shot, Apple fires a shot - and I ignore both and keep buying Mac's, my parents keep buying Dell and my sister buys Acer - and the world keeps spinning as always. Neither of us not affected by the marketing one iota.

Unfortunately, I find it hard to believe you (or anyone) are not affected by advertising in some way, even if it's just to let you know about the existence of something.

If you're going to be philosophical about it: we are all effected by marketing because even if we choose not to buy something we are still effected by it through the decision not to purchase

The old story of a person who does something other than the social norm - and through doing something different they are acknowledging the existence of these very norms.

Ha, true

Yep, advertizing and media influences it all.

Hardly. Mac sales have slowed down, perhaps due the economy, the Microsoft ads, and so forth. These new ads are really bad, and this is overlooking the bad claims they make specifically. They offer no real "Wow!" and just spit on Microsoft some more. There's nothing new from them in general.

Meanwhile, Microsoft's ads are showing off how easy it is to use their software, as well as how cheap you could get off with a decent laptop. Consumers are seeing people like themselves shopping for a computer, that are also perhaps on a budget. This has great appeal to the public, especially these days when prices are definitely a concern.

Meanwhile though, as I sit discussing new PC solutions to people who just can't let go of their 5+ year old hardware, none of them seem to have even heard of OS X, much less that there's a real difference between OS X and Windows. For them, all they see is hardware that's just too expensive for them.

All in all, Apple I feel needs a new angle with their advertisements, especially if you want to have "great competition" between the two. As I've stated numerous times, I don't understand how they can do SO WELL with the iPods / iPhones, yet so incredibly bad with OS X itself. It's as if they're not even trying...

heh yea, the time travel one was funny

No kidding. Let's not forget the fine print that could possibly be stuck on their iPods should they continue to explode...

Yep, you're the only one.

How is screaming virus virus virus any different to the only argument Microsoft has is "we're cheaper".

Reminds me of the supermarkets who realised that as peoples incomes increased they found if they didn't cater for their needs they would leave. Well all Microsoft is now doing is pricing themselves as the cheap ones - when the economy picks up and people have extra dollars in their pockets - do you think they're going to keep with the cheap brand? you think that the family who has extra money is going to keep purchasing the cheap toilet paper and the no-brand biscuits?

You cannot see the difference as Apple crying virus virus virus is playing up the negativity of their competition while MS claiming they are cheaper is playing up the positivity of their product? One is putting down others while the other is playing up their strength. While the result is the same (putting yourself on top of your competition), the means one go about doing that leaves a bad taste in most sane people.

Funny. I thought Microsoft's real argument was "we have more choices." Which is extremely important when shopping for a laptop.



You know you can also buy more expensive, high end PC's as well right? If your budget goes up and you want to buy something more flashy, you don't have to switch to apple.

You make it sounds like cheap supermarkets like Walmart and Asda would go out of business if people had more money.

I'm pretty sure, regardless of how much money you have, you generally look at "cheap" and work your way up from there. Not expensive, and work your way down.

Well said, Kirkburn.

As the economy picks up, people who still like to do even the simplest of things such as play games would be required to run Windows anyway simply to do just that! I mean, people sit around here boasting facial recognition software as if that's the decider. Let's totally overlook the fact that the gaming component itself it sorely lacking for OS X. I mean, as big as the gaming industry is, it's obvious that you can't simply brush it aside...

Affordable. Not cheap. Not the same thing. PC isn't cheap, it's just Apple that is overpriced.


Price is not the only factor in the decision making.
Look at it this way. Instead of going for the Vaio PC, people will maybe choose a regular HP or Dell. They won't go Apple _just because_ they can afford it.
And comparing buying a computer to buying toilet paper is just silly.

And again you ignore what I post - why aren't I surprised.

Both Walmart and Asad have diversified; The Warehouse (the Walmart of NZ) used to sell cheap crap but they have upgraded and now selling big name brands at prices that are within the reach of the average person. It is about making sure you're not reliant on one strategy .

Oh and and where did I state anything about Apple? Both ads have been solely about price - when are we going to see a person who is willing to throw down several thousand and put a high end Sony against a high end Mac - to show that PC's with Windows are not only available at a low cost but in a wide variety of designs.

Oh k7of9, and PC's aren't expensive; I remember when computers were NZ$2,000 for a low end model, laptops were NZ$3,000 were the lowest end model. Don't give me this crap that Apple is expensive - Apple's not expensive by any stretch of the imagination nor are PC's. Both of them are pretty damn cheap compared to the crap that a large number of people waste their money on - like the number of Americans who go out and purchase SUV's without the slightest concern for the on going costs but apparently faint at the sight at the price of a Mac. Kinda like Lauren who apparently can't afford a Mac but quite happy to purchase a NZ$50,000 VW Beetle.

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I assure you I did read it.


Who cares? We are not talking about actual supermarket economics here, we're talking about PCs. However...


Lol, are you serious? Do I need to remind you of what you said? ...

"Reminds me of the supermarkets who realised that as peoples incomes increased they found if they didn't cater for their needs they would leave. Well all Microsoft is now doing is pricing themselves as the cheap ones - when the economy picks up and people have extra dollars in their pockets - do you think they're going to keep with the cheap brand? you think that the family who has extra money is going to keep purchasing the cheap toilet paper and the no-brand biscuits?"

Is anybody in the entire world not going to think you're talking about Apple here? For chrissakes, your name is Macalicious. You're talking about the more expensive brand than Microsoft. There is none except for Apple.

The sheer brazen absurdity of the idea you're not implying Apple in this. Ahahahaha!

And finally:


Of course they aren't expensive, when you compare them to something more freaking expensive. What on earth are you trying to prove here? The sole point is that Apple PCs are generally more expensive than non-Apple PCs. Simple. Fact.

Their Mac's beachballed on them when they were exporting the commercial in Final Cut. They had to re-work the entire video and failed the second time around. At least that's what I'm going to tell myself. Lol.

Note, Windows Live Photo Gallery, which is free, apparently has the iPhoto feature mentioned.

So that one's useless too.

I dont think Photo Galery has that feature. You have to tag people in each photo WLPG but in iPhoto you tag a photo and it finds that person in other photos for you.

http://download.live.com/photogallery .. left tab, "people tagging". Already mentioned on this page of comments.

Note: it appears this functionality may not be the same as seen in iPhoto. I haven't tested either, so I cannot say for certain.

Because these are disputable ads. How are Windows/Linux laptops being cheaper than Apple laptops disputable?

Ah yes - forgot how realistic and genuine the last one was where the boy bought a gaming machine - you know, the gaming machine with an on-board graphics card that won't play any of the latest or 80% of games!

I play WoW with my on board graphic chip. Besides, er ... what makes you say it has on-board graphics?

It would appear that they bought a Sony VAIO VGN-FW290, which comes with a ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 with 512MB vRAM. My source is http://technologyexpert.blogspot.com/2009/...nd-jackson.html

Where did you get your information, eh?

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Or you can get a Mac in which you'd still have to run Windows to play 80% of the games anyway!

There WILL be a time when they WILL get nailed with viruses and malware.

We hear this for almost 10 years now... but still nothing...

Honestly? Look at the comment below, lol.

I know! I said this above! They just didn't have enough screen real estate to fit all of their own legal copies into the ad!

Admittedly there is an element of that, but the overriding message is "PCs are cheap and do what you want." Not "Apples are expensive and won't do what you want, but hey, here's an alternative".

the first 2, 3 maybe 4 of these videos were funny. Now there just plain boring.

You realize the Microsoft ads don't even advertise the Microsoft OS, right? You could get linux on any of those computers and never touch Vista/XP.

Hodgman does do bits on The Daily Show, but what I've seen of him so far he's been a bit underwhelming.

I think Long was great in Dodgeball, though

Justin did "Live Free or Die Hard" after he's been doing Apple's advertising. He was the weakest link in that film... as well as "Waiting", which he also did after the Apple ads, IIRC.

I was so hoping for Long's character to "not make it" in the Die Hard movie.

This would be great to see, though I think the issue for Apple is the extra support and commitment it may require. That is, Bootcamp will need to work flawlessly, and they may have to deal with any issues arising from Windows usage.

(That's not a dig at Apple, but an economic and feasibility issue)

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I don't believe Apple would be too interested in advertising the ability to run Windows on their machines. That would probably imply that OS X can't do everything, and that's not something Apple is willing to mention, considering how strong they make their ads against Windows.

Adding a comment just so it's better seen
(Added note to my above comment about this too)

Yeah youre waiting for osx virus for almost 10 years now, dont you ever give up?

An antivirus is a biohazard suit... almost every windows install must have it

Agreed! Even Macs freeze once in a while and not to mention, both Mac OS and Windows will be long gone by 2150!

Yes and the Linux guys don't complain as much as the other OS's do which is calming to my ears.

hahahaha, a whiny queen eh?

lol.. I was going to say the same until I saw your post. I love it =) quite entertaining.