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Google includes controversial kill switch in Android

Tom Warren   on 16 October 2008 - 12:35 · 22 comments & 7595 views

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There was outrage last month when it was discovered Apple had included a "kill switch" into the iPhone software.

The kill switch meant that any applications Apple did not approve of or were dangerous could be disabled remotely by Apple themselves.

In the terms and conditions of the Google android fine print Google has said they "may discover a product that violates the developer distribution agreement ... in such an instance, Google retains the right to remotely remove those applications from your device at its sole discretion".

The T-Mobile G1 is the first phone to run the Android software developed by Google and goes on sale Oct. 22.

Will Google get the blogger world and mainstream press up in arms like Apple did?

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(1 reply) #1 morphen on 16 Oct 2008 - 12:47
So much for open source and open source freedom :p

But,since this is linux, I bet this "kill switch" will be gone quite soon through hacks :p
#1.1 vetmarkjensen on 16 Oct 2008 - 12:59
"Open Source freedom" depends on the licenses involved. GPL requires that the source remain open, and any changes be published back out to the community. Licenses like BSD allow changes to be kept secret, providing freedom to the developer but not the end user.

And, with either of those two examples (and there are many more licenses), any program that is newly created and does not use the Open Source licensed code is free to be licensed as the creator/copyright holder wishes - including kept totally closed.
#2 nonick on 16 Oct 2008 - 12:49
That's just sad..
#3 SlimShady on 16 Oct 2008 - 12:53
(4 replies) #4 +littleneutrino on 16 Oct 2008 - 13:12
i honestly do not understand why people get upset about things like this. it states that it can remove things that are harmful. it does not say it will read your email or look at pictures. it wont even delete those things simply that if you install an application that might be harmful that it MAY delete it to protect you.... As far as i am concerned that is good service and they are trying to make sure that my user experience with their product is going to be the best one possible. I think it makes since.
#4.1 g0wg on 16 Oct 2008 - 13:58
If _I_ had to get an Android, I would appreciate that I had the freedom to allow them or stop them from altering my phone's state.

I do understand that average joe would be grateful for this option since its only a matter of sending an application over bluetooth to infect another phone (albeit what such an application can do is limited).
#4.2 Skynetfuture on 16 Oct 2008 - 14:13
g0wg said,
If _I_ had to get an Android, I would appreciate that I had the freedom to allow them or stop them from altering my phone's state.

I do understand that average joe would be grateful for this option since its only a matter of sending an application over bluetooth to infect another phone (albeit what such an application can do is limited).

MS should do the same for windows based pcs to stop ****ty programs windows

the downside people would bush them more lol
and oh the whole world would sue MS haahhaaa
#4.3 nonick on 16 Oct 2008 - 15:36
Skynetfuture said,
g0wg said,
If _I_ had to get an Android, I would appreciate that I had the freedom to allow them or stop them from altering my phone's state.

I do understand that average joe would be grateful for this option since its only a matter of sending an application over bluetooth to infect another phone (albeit what such an application can do is limited).

MS should do the same for windows based pcs to stop ****ty programs windows


the downside people would bush them more lol
and oh the whole world would sue MS haahhaaa


Do you trust strangers to be completely honest with their doings? Do you trust anybody with your house? How about your car? Then why your cell phone?

How about your privacy? You don't care about that now do you? If they can kill any program they wish, they can surely find out what you got in your cellphone - this program can be easily turned into spying. Do you really trust them with your cellphone's contents?

I sure not.
#4.4 GreyWolfSC on 20 Oct 2008 - 04:01
Skynetfuture said,
g0wg said,
If _I_ had to get an Android, I would appreciate that I had the freedom to allow them or stop them from altering my phone's state.

I do understand that average joe would be grateful for this option since its only a matter of sending an application over bluetooth to infect another phone (albeit what such an application can do is limited).

MS should do the same for windows based pcs to stop ****ty programs windows

the downside people would bush them more lol
and oh the whole world would sue MS haahhaaa


They do have that. Windows will warn you when an application has known compatibility issues. It just gives you the choice of running it anyway.
#5 Long on 16 Oct 2008 - 13:28
I think the risk of them using this in the same fashion Apple is using it is lower than the risk of a rogue application that maliciously damaged the phone.
#6 lylesback2 on 16 Oct 2008 - 14:06
So 3rd party applications not submitted through google (almost like Cydia for iPhone) can be REMOVED, off your phone, not even disabled, but physically removed. Wow
#7 - Kaboose - on 16 Oct 2008 - 14:06
although people are saying 'this doesn't mean they'll look at your private data', but wth really stops them from doing that? the user experience should be 'user' dependent, not 'i approve this and that...' from their side, and then running a muck on someone elses phone....
so much for privacy
#8 wst50 on 16 Oct 2008 - 16:14
When I get something, be it a laptop, I want to do what I like with it. I don't want to wory about randomers in some office somewhere deciding that having an app on my phone that removes google adsense from pages is a bad thing. (I'd have paid google already)
(1 reply) #9 vetSHoTTa35 on 16 Oct 2008 - 16:17
Well i guess we can look at it this way also then. You buy a car that can go 247MPH but you are only allowed to drive it at 35MPH in the city and 65MPH on the highway! Who are they to tell me how to drive "MY" car that i purchased with "MY" money!!!!

Well simple, your actions or inactions can cause issues with other people sharing the same space as you are. So say their is a free game you install and it came with a rouge application add-on (just like most spyware), your phone then becomes either a drone and is used to cause damage to the network or interupting other people's privacy time. The phone downloads tons of junk to itself and slows the network down (when hundreds of them are doing it) and spams everyone in your addressbook/contacts with non-stop spam!!!

If Google wants your private data there is no need to "hack" your phone as it's prolly already on google's servers anyways. Your email, contacts, calendar and all the other data will be synced to their servers whether you like it or not. So they don't even need your "trust" - they are already "in your house" They just haven't started looking around your drawers yet.
#9.1 Pyroburn on 16 Oct 2008 - 22:08
SHoTTa35 said,
Well i guess we can look at it this way also then. You buy a car that can go 247MPH but you are only allowed to drive it at 35MPH in the city and 65MPH on the highway! Who are they to tell me how to drive "MY" car that i purchased with "MY" money!!!!

The makers of the car are not the ones limiting your speed, that is the government. It would be a better example to say that BMW has the ability to remove and after market mods you make to your car after buying it from them.
That being said, you are correct in stating that they already have access to your email, contacts, etc however what this implies is that they will/may look through your information versus the state they are in now of could/might look though your stuff. That would be why people are responding as they are.
#10 zer0day on 16 Oct 2008 - 16:19
What a load of bollocks, I hope Google changes this. Btw, it seems this only affects app downloaded from the Android Market, but still, ****ing annoying. I hope google changes this policy.

They should make an app which downloads a list of bad software from Google servers and then scan the system for them and recommend they be removed if found.
#11 shakey_snake on 16 Oct 2008 - 16:29
kill switches are crippling.
(1 reply) #12 Sevan on 16 Oct 2008 - 16:42
Well think about it, if it's harmful to the device, it could spread, causing other devices to falter.
#12.1 zer0day on 16 Oct 2008 - 18:04
That's not Google's responsibility. That's like MS saying they should be able to uninstall apps or delete files from your PC remotely because you're infected with a virus.
#13 clotz2000 on 16 Oct 2008 - 18:28
I think it's a good idea to have this but only if the App is causing or could cause a serious security issue. I can see noob hackers making a stupid app and disguise it as something else to get people's iPhone or Android data and have it sent over the AT&T or Wifi network to another location.
(1 reply) #14 +Frazell Thomas on 17 Oct 2008 - 03:57
Comment threads on both this and the related Apple version are just troubling... Looks like 2 or 3 to 1 of people in favor of measures like this, on a site where the audience is generally more technically inclined than most.

Have we reached a point where privacy no longer has value among people? It is amazing that no one seems to value it in any case anymore. People are quick to put all their "stuff" in the "cloud" knowing it is being sold off to generate "contextual" ads. They are embracing this same methodology on the phone and adding to that the right of the maker to turn off anything they have installed.

If this path continues we are in for a very dark future where everything about us has a price and nothing is private.


Even more sickening is they are not just turning off random apps they, like Apple, are blocking and removing applications you paid for. I don't care what the item is, but the store should never be able to take back my purchase without paying me back.
#14.1 DATmafia on 17 Oct 2008 - 05:06
Frazell Thomas said,
Have we reached a point where privacy no longer has value among people?

Umm, there is no such thing as privacy in the wired world. The only way to guarantee information privacy is to turn off the device and bury it in concrete and bury that block of concrete hundreds of feet into the ground and pay a 24/7 guard to stand there. When you log on to the net whatever you decide to share is what becomes public knowledge. Joe user is still under the delightful impression that the Internet is one big happy party where everyone is safe from everyone else since it's all virtual. To bring up a quote from the move Hackers, Fischer Stevens character, "The Plague" says it best: "all the other people who have no idea what's going on, are the cattle, Moo."

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