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look for the latest thread with 'not out yet' at the end of the title, the 'out now' threads are locked. it's best if you install the 'nightly tester tools' addon and use it to paste your vesion info, eg :

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9pre) Gecko/2008032805 Minefield/3.0pre ID:2008032805

Last edited by yakumo on 28 Mar 2008 - 18:44

Please list these sites. There's still time to get rendering regressions fixed!

There are the typical bug reporting guidelines, but another alternative is to participate on the Firefox Test Days. The latter option is especially newbie friendly, I believe, as there are some hand holding through the IRC chat and help from their moderators. But they don't have Test Days every day. They don't currently run any, for example. These days usually coincide with beta releases and they'll apparently also run them every friday when the Firefox 3 release start getting close. Sign up for the mailing list using info on that site for announces.

I know the day is early, but you've got a real shot at dumbest post I've read today. Yep, I'm pretty sure yours is a lock....

way to contribute. It's a shame that the internet it used all too often by pimple faced dorks as a way to big up their chest and an (failed)attempt to sound clever.

As I see it the post is spot on, Opera has proven itself to be a far superior browser yet the hype stilll eludes it. FF and Apple for that matter both get by on being the anti-microsoft inspite of their many flaws

I happen to agree that the new skin is a little too close to the uglyness of the IE toolbar, but that is why FF offers themes, so you can change it to fit your needs, even use a replacement that is like the old UI. So you bring up a poor point.

No one says you have to use FF anyway if it isn't your cup of tea, just find a better angle for your arguement.

Take any browser fights elsewhere.

Agree that the theme in firefox 3 just sucks,anyways i use IE much more.

This doesen't mean i won't install firefox 3 in june,since it will support more dev features

Perhaps Apple et al should be more concerned with security, and not some meaningless test.

http://security.itworld.com/5013/mac-hacke...327/page_1.html

Hacked in 2 minutes, but it sure can draw those Acid pics 'real purty'....

I have to agree with you. I can't see anything to get excited about at all, and certainly nothing that Opera isn't already providing and, in some cases, has been for quite some time.

As for the new theme; I just don't get it. It has me completely perplexed. It was a golden opportunity to spruce up the really quite ugly and awkward looking icons and interface. Instead, they seem to have taken backward steps, with a complete lack of consistency. I can't actually see why they decided to alter the looks of it, if this is all they had to change to. It makes no sense.

The theme isn't even close to being finished, and to claim that Firefox3 doesn't offer anything over Firefox2 is just silly. Firefox3 uses less memory than Opera/Safari/IE7&8, Firefox2's memory usage has been brought up at least couple times in every Firefox release thread.. now that they have nailed it, it doesn't suddenly matter anymore? Not to mention the nice speed boost Firefox3 delivers. Using the Sunspider js test Firefox3 is the fastest browser on Windows for me when compared to the latest nightly builds of Safari/webkit and Opera.

Of course there's a ton of other critical new features like sqlite based history/data storage, places, and a crazy amount of Gecko fixes.

Why you don't see a big push towards Acid3 test is simply that they are too close to Fx3 release, the changes to score 100/100 on acid3 would require major changes that can't be checked in this late in the game. Firefox3 has been development quite some time and needs to be released.

In fairness, I don't think that anyone has claimed that. We have stated that there is nothing for us to get excited about. Memory differences? I find it hard to get excited over something that should have been implemented ages ago. We've tolerated Firefox's memory-hogging issues for an age. We're now expected to be excited or enthused because the developers have fixed the glaring issue? Now who is being silly? We've lived with it for so long now that we've just got used to it.

Speed boost? These are great claims on paper, and they make for some great adverts, but in real every day use of web-browsing, the difference is usually negligible and, certainly, any imagined "wow" at having a page load a fraction of a second faster than it did the day before is quickly evaporated through everyday use.

sqlite based history/data storage? Again, sounds great on paper. Now go ask 100 everyday web-browsing users what that will mean for them. Next to nothing. A crazy amount of Gecko fixes? Again, it's really very hard indeed to get excited over fixes, especially when the effects of them having been not fixed for so long have been ****ing you off longer than you care to remember.

As for the theme, I'd be willing to bet that despite you claiming it isn't even close to being finished, we don't see much change between what it is now, and when it's released as final.

Well, that depends on which parts of the theme you don't like. If it's the whole keyhole design then you are pretty much out of luck like you said. However, many of the icons are going to be changed/fixed.



So what kind of features do excite you? For me, Firefox2 already offers all the features I want in my browser (minus maybe mouse gestures) so speed/memory usage/web standards related improvements are the only ones I'm really looking for. Needless to say, Firefox3 certainly delivers when it comes to performance.

Of course, that will always be relative to the individual. In my case, as fickle and as trivial as it seems, I want the look and feel to work first of all. That is, after all, what is staring me in the face day in and day out. (Please don't tell me there are themes.) I want my browser to look like it is a native part of the O/S. I don't want it to stand out like a sore thumb by its own quirky look and feel. I want it to behave and look like my other Windows applications. I don't want to look at icons that look like they were designed in 1990.

I, (and remember this is just me based on how I work) want a mail application included, as it is in Opera. I love how, in Opera, I can manage most of my online dealings in one central application, including torrent downloads. And for those who shout "Bloat" at every available opportunity, Opera allows you to install the mail client, or not, and still maintains a ridiculously small footprint.

These things would help me to be a little more enthused about FF3 than I am now. To be honest, I don't think that I could be less enthused. I want to *see* changes, not just be told that things are different under the hood, and fixes have been made. That's great for developers, but it's not selling to me in the least.

I don't see how FFX is becomming irrelevant. Ok, so it doesnt pass ONE test that was released a month or so ago, it's hardly the end of the world. It'll still work with most sites fine and Opera/Webkit passing Acid 3 doesnt necessarily make them any better at standards compliance, just at that given subset. They may well still support more of the standards but Acid 3 isn't the ultimate test to determine that.

If anything it's as relevant as ever as market wise it's still the closest thing MS has to competition and by quite a way the last time I saw statistics on this sort of thing.