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Google May Lose Rights to Use the Gmail Trademark

configure   on 13 August 2004 - 04:25 · 64 comments & 14420 views

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cybershark has reported in our Back Page News that Google, after its Gmail debut, does not hold legal rights to the trademark, yet.

Normally, the registrations for trademarks are handled in a "first come, first served" basis and in this case, Google is in fact, the fourth in line. Who gets it first? Cencourse, a Miami company that provides multimedia services has filed the application on the same day that Google spilled the beans on Gmail.

The first applicant, Cencourse, filed the application on March 31st. Precision Research jumped in on April the 2nd, following by the British market research firm, Independent International Investment Research (IIIR) who filed the application on the next day. Google didn't make a move until April 7th.

IIIR is the only company out of the three that contacted Google about the dispute. The company's CEO admitted to operating a service with similar name since 2002 and filed the application after hearing about Google's service.

"Having invested in making our target market aware of our service, we wish to avoid the confusion that would inevitably arise if a much, much larger firm were to brand its service indistinguishably from our own," he said.

It is likely that the dispute will be heading to court where Google's attorney holds confidence in victory. One could only imagine why the trademark ownership hasn't been taken cared off before the service gets announced.

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(1 reply) #1 Hova on 13 Aug 2004 - 04:42
Why didn't google snap it up in the first place, before announcing anything?
#1.1 rogerroger on 13 Aug 2004 - 19:47
That is what I was thinking. I bet someone got fired over this. Can you say Oops!

#2 Lancing on 13 Aug 2004 - 04:44
Can they get any more retarded?
#3 todd` on 13 Aug 2004 - 04:49
That sucks
#4 AngelicRaver on 13 Aug 2004 - 04:54
-_- Stupidity.. at its best.
(2 replies) #5 matt74441 on 13 Aug 2004 - 04:58
Way to jump the gun guys I hope they lose the trademark, it would put a smile on my face.
#5.1 T-Metal on 13 Aug 2004 - 05:32
Loser.
#5.2 matt74441 on 13 Aug 2004 - 06:22
Snipped by me.

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#6 kainashi on 13 Aug 2004 - 05:05
hopefully google learns from this mistake.
(3 replies) #7 FireWire on 13 Aug 2004 - 05:10
*snipped* - Don't troll.

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#7.1 episode on 13 Aug 2004 - 05:12
And everything in the world is based on you.
#7.2 shrike on 13 Aug 2004 - 05:17
(S)He's just upset that he went from being a good, fast device, to the crappy 100mb/s it is today
#7.3 episode on 13 Aug 2004 - 05:18
LOL!
(6 replies) #8 OPaul on 13 Aug 2004 - 05:13
Why does the attorney feel confident in winning? How is there even room to dispute the fact that the trademark goes to Cencourse? How do Google have a case?
#8.1 episode on 13 Aug 2004 - 05:17
Because these companies will need to prove why they should have it over google.

The IIIR company is the only one that operated anything (according to articles) remotely named gmail, so they will have the best case. However, google's defense to that is "why didn't you file 2 years ago if it was important"

Or google can go the Microsoft route and just throw money at whatever company gets it (in the event they dont) and get it that way.
#8.2 OPaul on 13 Aug 2004 - 05:54
So what's the point of a patent being first come first serve if that doesn't actually hold true? Isn't it really "I'm bigger then you so give that to me"?
#8.3 JaggedFlame on 13 Aug 2004 - 06:17
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However, google's defense to that is "why didn't you file 2 years ago if it was important"


So what? Why didn't Google file before they announced if it was important?
#8.4 episode on 13 Aug 2004 - 06:27
I already explained that in a previous post. Filing for a patent kills the surprise.
#8.5 yakumo on 13 Aug 2004 - 11:27
in that case they should accept that the filing IS the suprise.
#8.6 redFX on 13 Aug 2004 - 13:22
Its not a patent, its a trademark.

Trademarks are fist come first serve but there are exceptions. If you can prove the brand is yours and that the person filling the trademark only did so to blackmail/sabotage your company, then you can get the trademark taken and given to you. (i.e. look at the linux trademark fiasco back in the day).

Patents on the other hand are not first come first served. Its first invented first served and there are time restrictions where if you pass a certain time and don't file, you give up all rights.
(1 reply) #9 episode on 13 Aug 2004 - 05:15
They'll get it without a problem. None of the other companies have a legitimate reason to want the name, and would never have even thought about it if google didn't want it.

As for why google didn't file for it ahead of time: they didn't want the cat out of the bag. Whenever a company goes for a patent, the rumor mill starts. Just check out the "Dawn of Souls" or whatever the crap SquareEnix wants to put out now that was in the news like 2 days ago.

Better to do it this way, since they will get it without a problem.
#9.1 todd` on 13 Aug 2004 - 18:29
Untrue..

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IIIR is the only company out of the three that contacted Google about the dispute. The company's CEO admitted to operating a service with similar name since 2002 and filed the application after hearing about Google's service.


IIIR has a reason.

And why didn't they just file the trademark on the same day that Google spilled the beans on Gmail?
(1 reply) #10 yizuman on 13 Aug 2004 - 05:22
I think it's a little late for whoever held the trademark, GMail already has become a household word, it's too widely known that when GMail is mentioned, they immediately think of Google. I would think that Google's next smart move is to pay compesation to the company that holds the trademark, settle it now. If the trademark holder can agree to a price to let the trademark be sold to Google and the trademark transferred to them.

But I suspect that the trademark holder will just be an ass and walk away with the trademark title.



#10.1 BillyPilgrim on 15 Aug 2004 - 13:24
I think the article is telling us that no one owns the trademark yet. And several companies have applied for it. Of course whoever gets it will be getting an awesome deal... If IIIR gets it they can make a lot of money off of Google who would make an offer beyond their wildest dreams. If Google wins, they save all of that money. Pi** poor planning if you ask me.
(4 replies) #11 viserov on 13 Aug 2004 - 05:32
This just makes it more likely for Google to discontinue Gmail. They never said it was a definite service.
#11.1 configure on 13 Aug 2004 - 06:02
I hardly see anyone guaranteeing that their service will be offered indefinitely.
#11.2 viserov on 13 Aug 2004 - 06:03
This news sucks, though. Gmail is the best, fastest, cleanest, most generous, and innovative free e-mail service I've ever used.
#11.3 configure on 13 Aug 2004 - 06:07
What sucks? The article's presentation or the actual news itself? I'm just curious and open to feedbacks, that's all
#11.4 viserov on 13 Aug 2004 - 06:14
lol, I mean the legalities Google's facing sucks

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#12 Ulusman on 13 Aug 2004 - 05:33
They will just have to call it goomail.

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#13 mohennessey on 13 Aug 2004 - 05:54
www.geemail.com you heard it first here.
(1 reply) #14 RaWShadow on 13 Aug 2004 - 06:03
I bet the other companys just registered it so they can steal it from google or they already had something called gmail and thought they had better register there gmail before google registers theres. Still stupid google should have registered it long before they made it public.
#14.1 todd` on 13 Aug 2004 - 18:31
You didn't read the article completely did you
#15 thenay on 13 Aug 2004 - 06:05
I never liked the gmail name
(4 replies) #16 ArtOf_War on 13 Aug 2004 - 06:26
the thing i liked about gmail is that it made hotmail increase account sizes
#16.1 viserov on 13 Aug 2004 - 06:34
Yeah. If anything, Gmail raised the bar that forced other companies to offer more for free or be left in the dust. Whether one likes Gmail or not, at least one should appreciate the positive ripple effect it caused in free e-mail services.

Hmm, "ripple effect." I watch too much 4400.
#16.2 Xenomorph on 13 Aug 2004 - 07:40
what does watching too much "4400" or whatever have to do with being familiar with the ripple effect?
#16.3 hava333 on 13 Aug 2004 - 07:52
Maybe if you watched 4400 you would know.
#16.4 Xenomorph on 13 Aug 2004 - 14:21
what the hell is 4400?
#17 DOGglee on 13 Aug 2004 - 08:41
that's pretty stupid
(1 reply) #18 Sushubh on 13 Aug 2004 - 09:03
i would call that amateurism on the part of Google. They are competing with Yahoo! and Microsoft. They need better legal advisors.
#18.1 kitchenutensils on 13 Aug 2004 - 11:56
they didn't know it had been registered just before
(2 replies) #19 hardgiant on 13 Aug 2004 - 11:01
How about just @google.com
#19.1 kitchenutensils on 13 Aug 2004 - 11:56
google employees have addresses @google.com
#19.2 neufuse on 13 Aug 2004 - 15:22
there is a reason microsoft doesnt give out @microsoft.com for their hotmail or msn e-mails... the same reason applys to google
(2 replies) #20 Tom Servo on 13 Aug 2004 - 11:05
Just proves how retarded companies are just out for suing for money. Someone announces a name, three companies run off trying to register the name. Pffft.
#20.1 elliot on 13 Aug 2004 - 11:12
Took the words right out of my mouth.
#20.2 cheesegoduk on 13 Aug 2004 - 13:20
Its like MWHAHA we suck and rather than do the decent human thing and let them know about it, instead we will register it ourselves and then try to be greedy gits and make money from it !
#21 atul on 13 Aug 2004 - 11:13
o man whtta mistake
(2 replies) #22 antny_uk on 13 Aug 2004 - 12:18
just serves google right if they lose it...

wonder what it will be called if they can't use Gmail? GoogleMail? GoogleBox? G-Email?? i like!
#22.1 chacho on 13 Aug 2004 - 15:27
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GoogleMail

unoriginal, which isnt like google

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GoogleBox

doesnt associate with email

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G-Email

that one is just stupid.

we shall see...
#22.2 todd` on 13 Aug 2004 - 18:34
I'd be surprised if they didn't cancel the service altogether if they lost the trademark.
(2 replies) #23 tommie on 13 Aug 2004 - 12:37
www.NeowinsLatestGoogleNews.net
#23.1 i like chips on 13 Aug 2004 - 13:09
404
#23.2 Sawyer12 on 13 Aug 2004 - 13:36
I dont think its a real web address. I think he was taking the piss.
#24 Magallanes on 13 Aug 2004 - 12:59
lol, i feel so sorry about the users that have a @gmail account ..

Hi to everybody:
This my latest email using this account, please forward me to my old xxxx@hotmail.com...
#25 chacho on 13 Aug 2004 - 15:26
man, google is falling apart.
#26 dL on 13 Aug 2004 - 15:37
Maybe that's why Gmail still hasn't gone final

dL
#27 dellard14 on 13 Aug 2004 - 16:14
that was a bit careless of them
#28 The Darknight on 13 Aug 2004 - 23:43
oh well... I guess I'll stick with Spymac for now.
#29 indiedude on 14 Aug 2004 - 00:18
i cant believe there are people who just sit around waiting for companys to announce new products, just so they can go on and check if they've registered a name for it. If google hadn't announced this product- i seriously doubt that the other companys would have trademarked the name.
#30 Hills420 on 14 Aug 2004 - 02:04
Someone at Google screwed up on this one...
#31 cyberbravo on 14 Aug 2004 - 14:37
On the Cencourse website there's a gmail platfom global mail communication) platform. Looks cool! This company filed first for the gmail trademark first according to the article. Give the company credit. I suppose GOOGLE will have to buy it from these guys. But maybe they won't sell.
#32 cyberbravo on 14 Aug 2004 - 14:42
According to the article, the CENCOURSE CEO isn't interested in suing Google. He just wants to "expand his company's gmail brand". Wow - cool - talk about "do no evil". This could get interesting. I still think GOOGLE GMAIL is gonna rock - I like the search engine tool in their mail program - and the format.

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