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New anti-piracy checks on Terminator 2 DVD

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A recent reissue of the blockbuster Terminator 2 contains a DVD-ROM version of the movie with a new anti-piracy technique: 5-day viewing licenses issued over the Internet.

The new digital rights management (DRM) system also looks up a PC's Internet address--if the computer has a non-U.S. number, playback of the DVD-ROM will be prevented.

The Web-checking system means that even if the DVD-ROM is copied, only one PC at a time around the world can play it back--bad news for DVD pirates located in Asia and elsewhere.

And anyone thinking of copying the movie file from the DVD-ROM onto a hard drive and sharing it online can forget it: The file is only playable from a valid DVD-ROM disc--again, only after online verification.

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Digital Envoy, a provider of rights management technology, and SyncCast, which specializes in media streaming, worked together to create the digital rights management (DRM) system.

The system works with the DRM technology integrated into Microsoft Windows Media 9 Series and has been included in the DVD-ROM bundled with the Terminator 2: Judgment Day (Extreme Edition) disc set, shipped in North America in early June for US$29.98.

The set contains a standard DVD, but the DVD-ROM has a high-definition version that provides three times more video detail, SyncCast spokesman David Nichols told CNETAsia. The movie file is encoded in WM9 format, required for the DRM operation of Windows Media Player 9.

The PC playing the DVD-ROM must be connected to the Internet, so as to obtain a license. Content owners can decide which type of license to issue; 1 time play, unlimited play, expires after 30 days, and so on, said Nichols.

"In the case of T2, Artisan (the studio releasing the DVD) decided to issue licenses that have to be renewed every 5 days. You can get as many 5 day licenses as you want but each license is only good for 5 days," he said.

This allows, say, a notebook user to view the movie for 5 days while on the road and disconnected from the Web.

While Nichols did not reveal fully how the DRM works, it is understood that it requires the online verification of details such as the user's IP address and the unique IDs of the disc, movie file and computer playing the file.

"If the user's IP and address is in the region designated by the content owner and they have a valid disc they are issued a license. Users who we determine are outside of the designated region are provided an email address to contact the licensor to request a license directly from them," said Nichols.

"Once they prove they have a valid disc, we issue a license to the user's computer. The user can play the file on any drive connected to his computer that has the license. If the user tries to play the content on a different computer, it won't work. If the user attempts to pass the content off to a friend, it won't work," he said.

The same DRM system can also be used to protect movie streams or downloaded movie files. Despite the checks, no user information is sent to SyncCast or Microsoft without the user's permission, he added.

SyncCast's and Digital Envoy's system are examples of various DRM technologies being tested. In Japan, Sony has been offering movie downloads that are timed to "self-destruct" after a given time.

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#1 DigitalDude on 02 Jul 2003 - 20:49
well thank god i have the last special edition version
#2 Jugalator on 02 Jul 2003 - 20:51
"if the computer has a non-U.S. number, playback of the DVD-ROM will be prevented. "

Yeah! That's the copy protection we should strive for! That's the spirit!

Isolating the market to US only sounds like an excellent idea, and of course no one from outside the US should be able to order the CD.

[/sarcasm]
(1 reply) #3 Zeni on 02 Jul 2003 - 20:54
Nothing as american as sitting at your computer, nice bag of popcorn, and watching SCHWARZENEGGER
#3.1 vetMr magoo on 02 Jul 2003 - 21:01
lol... i cant decide if your trying to be ironic .... its worth noting he is austrian
(1 reply) #4 fahad on 02 Jul 2003 - 20:54
Does that mean if you have 2 pc's you can only play it on one?
#4.1 CoCoLUS on 02 Jul 2003 - 23:47
you cannot play it on 2 pcs simultaneously.

you do have only one disc, you know

it's a protection against copying the file and transfering it to someone else.
#5 vetDazzla on 02 Jul 2003 - 20:57
What a piece of ****. How is this preventing piracy? They'll crack it and once again the consumer will be left shafted up the ass by these idiots.
#6 Jono2003 on 02 Jul 2003 - 21:00
i bet this will get cracked sooner or later
#7 Mr. Black on 02 Jul 2003 - 21:03
Pirates will be working hard to crack this...you can bet on it.
(2 replies) #8 idbuythatforadollar on 02 Jul 2003 - 21:05
very true dazzla

what happens if you havent got net access?
cant people just rip it?
#8.1 vetMr magoo on 02 Jul 2003 - 21:10
this i suppose helps previews sent to reviews; but i dont imagine it does much for cine rips.
#8.2 devilotX on 02 Jul 2003 - 21:16
That would be a lawsuit I think,

" I purchased this DVD and I can't watch it cause I have no internet"
(1 reply) #9 Monkeh on 02 Jul 2003 - 21:11
can't you just rip it, convert it to DIVX/XVID and then share it?
#9.1 radixvir on 02 Jul 2003 - 22:01
i dont really understand how it could work anyways....i would think you could even rip the .vobs and use nero to burn a new dvd.....and wouldnt it still play in settop players? arent most people going to use settop players anyways?
#10 MrHolliday on 02 Jul 2003 - 21:14
More $$ wasted on copyright protection. If the video is physically there on the disc people will find ways to view it/rip it.
#11 Techo on 02 Jul 2003 - 21:16
I was just thinking of purchasing that DVD. I've already got T2 on VHS. If I bought the legal darn version of the DVD, I want to be able to play it on any computer even those without internet access. And why would I want the license to expire if I bought the DVD. I understand such a service for DVD rentals but not this. Is there such an option that let's you choose it to never expire? I doubt that.

I also do not see how this will prevent piracy. With these kinds of releases they are begging to be cracked. Now folks who bought the DVD will want to crack it because of this. Where are the terms of legal usage? I'm sure this DVD won't break any selling records.
(1 reply) #12 devilotX on 02 Jul 2003 - 21:18
Well no... I think its going to be on the disc in addition to the regular DVD version, so the ultra high quality WM9 version is the copy protected one.

So the DVD version could very well be ripped and converted.
but the WM9 will be a bit tricky
#12.1 radixvir on 02 Jul 2003 - 22:03
havent they already cracked the newer version of ms media protection...i could have sworn i heard about that
(3 replies) #13 StOnD on 02 Jul 2003 - 21:33
uhh, how the hell is this supposed to stop NORMAL people who watch it on a DVD player, not a PC?
#13.1 vetBroChaos on 02 Jul 2003 - 21:49
that's what i was wondering...
#13.2 Nickbee on 02 Jul 2003 - 22:41
...yeah and me....
#13.3 Trust on 02 Jul 2003 - 23:41
well... This is just the beginning... Everything will be played sooner or later in a sort of a PC... See the news 64bit CPUs?. Well everyones will support DRM... Prepare to be trusted... And the dark (digital) era just begun too...
#14 MR_Candyman on 02 Jul 2003 - 21:50
this is the most attrocious idea Ive ever heard of. I can see people filing lawsuits or at the very least demanding their money back. You have to acquire a 5 day licence? probably for a small fee aswell, right?
(1 reply) #15 eaglebtc on 02 Jul 2003 - 22:21
Theoretical solution (untested):

1) Get an HDTV capture card
2) Output the movie via DVI > VGA > Component Cables (Y, Cr, Cb)
3) Plug back into HDTV capture card

Cut, copy, pirate. None of these industry folk are gonna stop the pirates. They might as well just give up now.
#15.1 Techo on 03 Jul 2003 - 20:36
Mostly likely it will have some macrovision protection. It will degrade the output.
#16 caustiK on 02 Jul 2003 - 23:00
i think devilotX is right - this is the special windows media player 9 high-res version present on the dvd. the normal dvd movie that would be viewed from a dvd player can be watched/ripped just like any other. it's just the wm9 file that needs a license. (and yeah i'm sure it'll be cracked, if it hasn't already)
#17 Trust on 02 Jul 2003 - 23:32
lol... Soon america will be an island... Like alcatraz...
#18 d1301 on 03 Jul 2003 - 00:56
I would assume that the piracy industry would find a solution to this at some point or another.
#19 Webgraph on 03 Jul 2003 - 01:15
The system requirements for this are absolutely ridiculous! Perhaps someone could make a version optimized for the standard DVD-ROM, which can be viewed on a PC as slow as 350 MHz, LOL!
(5 replies) #20 Drestin on 03 Jul 2003 - 01:17
Let me clue ya all who don't have a copy in - as to the story:
First, the regular DVD movie is on disc 1. It's a normal movie with .VOB files you can do whatever you might normally do with them. Watch them on a normal region 1 DVD player or rip them or whatever.
On disc 2 is a WMV file containing the ultra high resolution version. This version is MUCH higher quality than the DVD version on disc 1. You can copy the file easily from the DVD to your PC to anywhere. Feel free to upload it to the newsgroups or wherever. When the file is run, and it can only be run in Windows Media Player 9+, it uses the MS DRM software to determine: is it actually running from a DVD drive or elsewhere (this is easily defeatable, admitedtly). Then it engages license retreival from the Internet. You get a 5 day license. This means you can watch it as many times as you'd like in 5 days without needing an Internet connection again. When the five days is up and you want to watch again, it'll pick up another 5 day license again - as often as needed.

Now - the disc is clearly marked as region 1. That means the copyright holders have decided that it should only be viewed in North America. Like it or not, agree or not, legally that is their right and you are not being deceived. Region 1 marking and the fact it can only be played in N. America is clearly indicated.
Also, it specifically tells you that to view the high res movie on Disc 2 you need WMP9+ and an internet connection (plus tons of horsepower in both CPU and video -= think a minimum of Pentium 4 and Geforce 3; when I say high resolution I really mean it, this puppy is SWEET - the single best quality video I've ever viewed. Period).

So - they are excersizing their right to decide who views this and where. Don't like it? Don't buy it. Simple. The first run of the DVD has nearly sold out, by the way.

As for cracking the DRM? No one has done it yet.
As for capturing the analog output from your video card and burning a DivX copy back? Sure, go ahead. The quality will suffer greatly - there isn't a capture card out there that can handle the native resolution of this puppy -- and if you capture at reduced quality - well, you've defeated the purpose. The movie itself is easily rippable from VOBs on disc 1. Just snag those. The idea is, you can't steal the nice convienent .WMV file and post it or loan it to a buddy (p.s., it's larger than 4.7 gigs so you can't even fit it on a DVD-R)
#20.1 netsendjoe on 03 Jul 2003 - 01:34
yes... but is it not possible to take the WMV file and use TMPEGENC to decode the WMV into a NICE high bitrate MPEG2 ? for like SVCDs? I have been in the past able to download protected WMV files from MMS protocols and been able to convert these WMP9 made files with TMPEGEnc, I am asking because I want to know if DRM has a fix that will prevent TMPEGEnc from converting the file format, even though the file is being read using DirectShow Multimedia Filter to do all of its reading (Requires WMP9 Codecs to be installed)
#20.2 Drestin on 03 Jul 2003 - 02:15
DRM encoded WMV files cannot be opened or converted (or viewed at all) without a license via the DRM software. TMPEGENC won't do the trick, the file appears encrypted to TMPEGENC.
#20.3 vetDazzla on 03 Jul 2003 - 05:42
I know the story, but the only reason someone would buy this over the ultimate edition is the WMV9 version and what's the point if they've got you strung up by your balls? What a piece of crap.
#20.4 Thygod on 03 Jul 2003 - 11:56
I agree with you that they should have the right to let a movie play wherever they want. But they have to get their act together in defining what Constitutes the US and what does not. I live in Puerto Rico, which is a US Territory and full of US Citizens. We are part of the Region 1 Encoding (and not through a gray market). When I tried to play the Terminator High-Definition I was unble to play it. The funny thing is that it depends on who the ISP is. If I have a local ISP that identify the IP Addresses as being in PR I do am unable to watch the movie. But if I use MSN or (LOL) AOL as my ISP I can watch the movie without problems. I wrote an E-Mail to Artisan and I'm still waiting for a Reply.

The funny thing about this is that Artisan came to PR and promoted the new capabilities to local suppliers such as Borders and Blockbuster who proceeded to buy a lot of these movies because of the High-Res version. These movies are now bound to be returned when people finally figure out that the High Definition version is in Disc 2.

After watching the movie by making a dial-up connection to an ISP in Atlanta I decided to return it. The people in Borders had no idea that we had this problem in PR. And I was the only person that had returned the movie. This makes me think that many of the people who bought the movie either do not understand that the High definition version is for Windows only or they are waiting to see if the problem is fixed.

I would like to point out that the box mentions you need a Network connection, not an Internet Connection. Although you may argue that it is the same and internet saavy people know what they meant the average consumer will simply ignore all this hoopla on the back and purchase it based on the fact that if it is Region 1 it should work. But this is not the case.

In fact, I believe Region 1 has more countries than US and Canada (although I am not sure) and the notice you get is that it is only playable in US and Canada, it does not say anything about Region 1. If this is the case then they should have it in the box that the DRM system may be different than Region Encodings.

One last pet peeve. I hate the stupid DVD player they make you install. With all other DVD's it was not an issue because you could just ignore the Interactual Crap and watch the movie in WMP or WinDVD or PowerDVD or what have you. In this movie however, is install the Interactual crap or don't watch the movie.

Mario Acevedo-Bengoechea

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#20.5 Techo on 03 Jul 2003 - 21:37
Drestin,

Thanks for the info. That sounds ok to me but I still wan't to play it on a PC which deosn't have internet access. I may buy the DVD. The high def. T2 clip showcased on the MS Media Player site had really better than DVD quality but I think it optimized to run on XP and PowerDVD does a better job playing the clip the the MS Media Player. I tested it on WinME with 2.3ghz P4,512mb ram and a Gforce4Ti4200, the sound skips a bit, XP I think makes the difference.
#21 LVirus on 03 Jul 2003 - 05:26
So .. whats the fuss about new microsaft system? I mean, didn't DVD ment to be high resolution video? If there is some super high resolution codec and stuff from ms and now everyone is using it, whats the point?

Does this mean that we that don't live in center of universe don't get to see new movies in good quality but rather in RealMedia quality and normal versions, not any Extreme 200min new footage added editions?
#22 Gary_Player on 03 Jul 2003 - 06:20
...thats the gayest thing i've ever heard...

So is it gonna b like winxp where if you cant do it over the internet you have to do it OVER THE GODDAMN PHONE?!?!?!?

What if you live out in the middle of nowhere? Only go into the city once or twice a year...no phone lines...your generator is your source of power...are you just going to be deprived of T2 goodness or what?
(2 replies) #23 ernicoats on 03 Jul 2003 - 06:47
hmm can we say Monopoly again on MS part, hmm wonder what the government is going to say about this only allowing microsoft product users to be able to view it. I mean come on what about Unix, MAC, Linux and such, they dont want to have to use "MS" stuff. Plus, if they get my IP for viewing a movie that I own isnt the invasion of privicy. Hmm law suits waiting to happen on this one. DRM should mean "Down Right Microsoft" They seem to want to own everything and the movie inst. is letting them. Good thing that Apple got to the RIAA before MS did or else we would have to put up with only using some sort of new MS hand held that falls apart unlike the IPod. Just my little say on things.
#23.1 JaggedFlame on 03 Jul 2003 - 07:25
QUOTE
hmm can we say Monopoly again on MS part, hmm wonder what the government is going to say about this only allowing microsoft product users to be able to view it.


Oh no! I can't view .MOV files without QuickTime! I can't view .RM files without RealPlayer! Apple and RealNetworks are obviously monopolies!
#23.2 werejag on 03 Jul 2003 - 11:35
again the microsoft sheep have arrived to lie and decieve you.

these other formats can be viewed on linux my dear jaggedflame.

(1 reply) #24 tsutton on 03 Jul 2003 - 09:22
What about peeps who watches this in Linux? Would it work??
#24.1 Jeffrey on 03 Jul 2003 - 12:35
No, Linux doesn't (yet?) support DRM.

Even WMV's support isn't fully complete (last time I checked).
(1 reply) #25 TheFamousGeoff on 03 Jul 2003 - 13:45

Anyone else still using VHS?



It's so cheap now nobody wants it!!!

#25.1 shafi on 03 Jul 2003 - 18:43
yes
#26 un4given1 on 03 Jul 2003 - 13:52
I have to say... Everyone... Stop whining. The DVD will be just as viewable as any other. They are including a higher quality (than DVD... that's impressive) disk. The disk is offered as a "bonus" and you are not required to watch it. Why is everyone so upset about this? I am not going to battle the arguments about what the MPAA and RIAA are doing, but... Don't you think that the people who create "works-of-art", be it music or movies or anything else, deserve to get paid? And, I know each of you are going to say... "Yes, but not that much!" Well, if actors and musicians didn't get paid that much then what would be the fantasy of wanting to be one? If you watch a movie or listen to music you should pay for it. As I read through the comments left by most of you I can tell that half of you did not read the story in it's entirety, either that or you are completely dense.
#27 tronmaster on 03 Jul 2003 - 17:34
I'm kinda confused.....

The T2: Extreme Edition comes out on 2 dvds. The 1st plays on your dvd player to your tv. The 2nd is a dvd-rom? My friend has it and says it plays on it's own software not using WMP 9? It that incorrect?

I wish I had a fast computer to play this movie....
#28 moua on 04 Jul 2003 - 04:48
Does anyone know about a free internet provider in U.S. with a "normal" call number
(for international call ) ?
#29 fiBer on 09 Jul 2003 - 00:06
lol ... what does that have to do with the movie

Interesting anti-piracy ... i think theyll still find a way to get around it though

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